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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jul 28, 2012 12:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SYFace SUCKED...

I might be interested in reading some of that "jam band critique" biz... Do they still have it in for bands like Furthur, Phish, GD, etc? I was unaware EC was devastated by critiques, he seems to have gone his merry way now for decades. I enjoy many of his efforts, and his talent has bought him a well-deserved reputation as one of the greats of all times.

So back to complexity: We agree the GD don't get credit for complexity. The Eleven is possibly my favorite GD piece (along with Eyes), a crown jewel... but that's partially due to its setting, nestled in a complex suite. The Other One began as another piece of a combination, and it took them some time to really find the groove with that. The "noodling" critics have a demonstrable point, but haven't listened to the catalog like we have. There are numerous instances when the jamming should have been abbreviated, is going nowhere, and the band just keeps going, and going. Lots of PITB and TOO 's from the 80s are big offenders. If you can't make a miracle in 10 minutes, will another 15 minutes make it better?

On the other hand, I think JG and the GD could take a simple piece, albeit short, and play it so beautifully with all kinds of complexity. Think of how deadly El Paso would be without that lyrical Garcia lead intertwined around it, Phil's intricate bass runs in Bertha, neat rhythm playing from Weir on Big River. Many of the early cowboy songs are just wonderfully, tightly executed - examples like Next Time, Mama Tried, BIODTL, Big Rvier really showcase what the band was built for. As for Dark Star - I give 'em a pass on that, it was intentionally exploratory, and a failure if not pushed to boundaries. But the Dead don't get credit for playing well, and we know they were more than capable of it.

Screw the critics. Their criticism is valid to a point, and like some "jam" band music, just so much flagellation.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 28, 2012 2:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SYFace SUCKED...

Oh, sorry, uh; was thinking it was you and me that chatted about those critics a couple months back...LiA and some others posted a few, so you could find them here, OR just google "review + wheels of fire" or some combo to find what I am speaking of for EC. I also got a bit of from the movies, so if you have NetFlix, you can find at least two of those CREAM movies there, I believe ("classic" bands is one of them...).

Anyhoo, EC admits to reading the one and literally breaking down, actually collapsing (said he fainted) in 68 when finding the one on WofFire in RStone!? I really felt sorry for the guy...it happened out in public, with friends at dinner or some such, and thus, folks around him knew he'd been deeply impacted. It confirmed his desire to shift gears from CREAM related efforts.

I always thought of the 11 as THE jam for the DEAD; I used some of the verses in my HS graduation "comments" in the early 70s (they let us provide a quote).